they scrubed there no ip logs policy years ago
Well I’m a customer and I think it’s fine if the requests are legitimate. The question then of course is what is legitimate.
Its always about petty shit like piracy. You’d wish it was all them catching CSAM creators but thats a sliver of it. They’d be catching more rich dudes if it was.
My threat model is not LE, its google, facebook, etc. If me using privacy services happens to make LE’s job harder well thats just the cherry on top.
At the same time it’s also important that the provider only complies with requests where it legally has to. I trust Proton to act this way.
My understanding is that the email is encrypted still so… they hand over the encrypted data which might be useless.
(CEO did a podcast this week for a Linux podcast)
What are they supposed to do as an internationally known and used company? Reject legal proceedings and ignore official national laws?
I mean, the answer to that is clearly they should structure their service to store the absolute least possible personal information needed to allow the service to function so that when a legitimate law enforcement agency comes knocking they can honestly say they don’t have much.
Which… appears to be pretty much what they do.
I agree with you. Losing the protection of a right – even one as fundamental as privacy – is by definition not a violation so long as that happens through due process. Now we can certainly talk a lot about what level of process is due, and I’m sure it will be basically unanimous that current standards around the world are FAR too accommodating to law enforcement, but at least in principle a warrant justifies the invasion of privacy. That’s what the warrant is for.
This story kind of makes me want to switch all my stuff to ProtonMail.
Change their advertising
How though? They advertsize themselves as the privacy-conscious Google alternative which they very much are. Idk if I’ve just not been exposed to (their) ads, but do they make all kinds of unreasonable claims like being outside of all legal jurisdiction?
Stop mentioning 0 log stuff on their products. That’s all
LMAO, the downvotes. Stop the bootlicking, please, asking for not lying in the promotions is not that big of a deal
I suppose they now keep logs of their VPN service too then.
Swiss law doesnt allow complying with VPN services afaik.
ProtonVPN and ProtonMail are completely seperate too.
Do you mean the law doesn’t allow forcing the VPN service to comply with VPN log requests by authorities?
And what do you mean by “completely separate”?
Proton VPN… is operated by the Swiss company Proton AG, the company behind the email service Proton Mail.
@sqgl @ReakDuck
From what I understood :
Under Swiss laws, VPN providers are not forced to log anything.
They also can’t comply with orders coming from a foreign country if not approved by Swiss authorities.
If someone is put under surveillance, he/she have to know that.However, always remind that that’s just the law, not what is technically possible. If you’re considered as a real threat for an important country, neither Switzerland or any country will protect you.
Idk for most people, but the reason I use proton mail is to avoid google parsing everything I receive to send me ads. I “have nothing to hide” on a legal pov, I’m not a criminal, the worst offence I do is like Jay walking or crossing at a red light on foot when there is no one at midnight. I don’t use proton services to protect myself from the law (or in other words to avoid the consequences of my acts), I just want to be a customer instead of a product.
This is exactly why I use Proton as well. I’m not worried about law enforcement, I just want Google and other big tech’s tentacles out of my fucking business. I don’t want to be advertised to.
The article is actually pretty balanced. Yes Proton is secure and private, but if you’re hiding from law enforcement, don’t expect a third party to take the fall for you.
If you’re hiding from the LEOs in any real way you sure as fuck aren’t using email.
ProtonMail was not even against cooperation with the RuSSian terrorist government, and this post was still downvoted, funny.
Have you already decided whether privacy is important to you or not?
