Some of the LinkedIn Responses are direct and on-point, and also hilariously/depressingly based depending on how you look at it:

EDIT: In hindsight, I think I should’ve looked into posting this in a different community… It’s closer to a silly “innovation”… soo… is this considered FUD? I also don’t support smoking or vaping, especially among kids. Original title had “privacy-violating” before the “solution”.

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    How is this invading someone’s privacy?

    So you think they will not use this to try to identify the vaping student?

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      So you think we should all be allowed to smoke in non-smoking places? The school already has all info on all it’s kids, what else “private” is being revealed here? If you break the rules of the establishment where you are, they’ll try to identify and ban you, because that’s how private property and bylaws work. School is no different. If you break the rules you face the consequences.

      Is this logical and useful? No. Does it help kids become better and learn? No. Will it actually reduce vaping? No, it’s a leaderboard now.

      But is it invading privacy? Also no. It is enforcing nonsensical draconic rules, but not revealing any information that wouldn’t be already known or demanded by the institution in that situation.

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        Privacy isn’t restricted to just your data on file. You’d expect some sort of privacy in bathrooms (I assume that’s where these would be installed). It can also set a precedent. Maybe they start tracking cellphone use “ensure students are paying attention”. Maybe they start tracking how often students are using the restroom, especially female students to gather data on their cycles (incredibly plausible depending on the state). Maybe they track their exact movements via school wifi. Maybe they give them laptops to spy on them at home. None of these obviously equate to one another but where does the school draw the line? Rather not have this shit in the first place.

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          You’d expect some sort of privacy in bathrooms

          That is the whole point of this mess. The alternative is a person or camera INSIDE the bathroom at all times. The camera would be so much cheaper to deploy…but privavcy laws, rightfully, say no.

          With the sensor all it does is say “smoke/vape detected”, from there an adult can check the hall cam to see who went in or just go right in to catch the kid.

          I assume with the monitor, it makes it easy for a teacher sitting outside the bathroom and can see the popup (in some schools they already have them to check passes and listen for screeming)

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        So you think we should all be allowed to smoke in non-smoking places?

        No, but I see you need to make up a point I didn’t make so you could attack that.

        Lazy strawman, you must be from reddit

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      … good?

      Everyone (even kids) have a reasonable expectation of privacy, but children using drugs in school isn’t something that falls under that reasonable expectation of privacy.

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        Considering they are only harming themselves, no I do not care much

        As others mentioned, I think schools should dedicate resources to address this situation through education, instead of paying some start up for some surveillance gadgets

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          They are not just harming themselves. Everyone knows how harmful secondhand smoke is.

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              Nope, not smoke per se, but still damaging to breathe.

              I think people severely underestimate how harmful it is.

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                Happy to read about it of you have any source to share

                I know vaping is not without dangers but it is a step forward from smoking. I honestly never read anything about second hand vaping fumes

                In any case, I am not in favour of vaping in schools. I just think schools should not spend money in these detector crap. They should address it with their best tool, education

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          Considering they are only harming themselves

          Again, we’re talking about actual children. You know: people that have yet to mentally develop to the point where they can make fully informed decisions on everything and sometimes have to be “coerced” by reasonable adults into doing so.

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              I didn’t disagree with that part. Doing what you suggested and using the “vape detectors” aren’t mutually exclusive.

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                Doing what you suggested and using the “vape detectors” aren’t mutually exclusive.

                Well, kind of since I suggested NOT using vape detectors

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        How would you like this installed in your workplace? How about ankle monitors that detect if you’re jaywalking? What about if your car had a sensor that automatically informed law enforcement if you were speeding. What if your ISP would shut off anytime you watched a video with copyright without permission.

        See how bullshit “if you’re doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide” is?

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          There’s this wild, outlandish idea that kids don’t have the maturity, experience, or impulse control to make informed and rational decisions all the time. Thus we don’t give kids the exact same rights and responsibilities we give to adults – they gradually gain them as they mature and demonstrate they can handle them.

          How would you like this installed in your workplace?

          Yes, because my workplace staffed entirely by people 21+ is the same thing as a school filled with literal children. Also, for some unknowable reason we don’t have issues with people vaping in the building despite having people that smoke and vape. Couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the fact none of us are teenagers.

          What if [slippery slope]?

          You do know that’s a fallacy, right?

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      They ought to use it that way if they aren’t. Privacy does not mean “flagrant ability to flout rules or laws”