I know many people despise generative AI, but what do you think of this result from Copilot? I am bad at maths so I wonder if you experts can tell.
In your scenario, you have two sets: the integers on the top track and the real numbers on the bottom track. The cardinality of the integers is equal to the cardinality of the real numbers, which is called the continuum hypothesis. Therefore, it seems intuitively more ethical to pull the lever and divert the trolley to the bottom track, where you kill fewer people in any finite time.
It’s completely wrong within ZF set theory the cardinality of the integers is stricly smaller than the cardinality of the real numbers. The continuum hypothesis states that there is no set with a cardinality strictly larger than the natural numbers (or integers) and strictly smaller than the real numbers.
It accidentally kind of comes to the right conclusion, but even the conclusion isn’t really correct, you don’t need to be concerned with finite time since integers are a smaller cardinality.
Let’s say people can be placed on a point on the track indexed by the real numbers, given any two seperate, finite, points, there would be more people packed between those two points than the entire integer track.
“The cardinality of the integers is equal to the cardinality of the real numbers, which is called the continuum hypothesis.”
The cardinality of the integers is not equal to the cardinality of the reals. The integers are countable (have the same cardinality as the natural numbers). A very famous proof in set theory called Cantor’s diagonal argument shows the reals are uncountable (i.e. not countable).
The continuum hypothesis is also not about comparing the cardinality of the reals and the integers or naturals (since we already know the above). The continuum hypothesis is about comparing the cardinality of the reals with aleph_1.
Within the usual set theory of math (ZFC set theory), we can prove that we can assign every set a “cardinal number” that we call its cardinality. For finite sets we just assign natural numbers. For infinite sets we assign new numbers called alephs. We assign the natural numbers a cardinal that we call aleph_0.
These cardinal numbers come with an ordering relationship where one set has a cardinality larger than another set if and only if its associated cardinal number is larger than the other sets cardinal number. So, alepha_0 is larger than any finite cardinal, for example. There is a theorem called Cantor’s theorem that tells us we can continually produce larger and larger infinite cardinals in fact.
So, we know the reals have some cardinality, thus some associated cardinal number. We typically call this number the cardinality of the continuum. The typical symbol for this cardinality is a stylized (fraktur) c. Since aleph_0 is countable, every aleph after aleph_0 is uncountable. By definition aleph_1 is the smallest uncountable cardinal number. The continuum hypothesis just asks if aleph_1 and c are equal.
As an aside, it is provable that c has the same cardinality as the powerset of the naturals. We let the cardinality of the powerset of a set with cardinality x be written as 2^x. Then we can write the continuum hypothesis in terms of 2^{aleph_0} and aleph_1. The generalized continuum hypothesis just swaps out 0 and 1 for an arbitrary ordinal number alpha and its successor in this new notation.
I know many people despise generative AI, but what do you think of this result from Copilot? I am bad at maths so I wonder if you experts can tell.
It’s completely wrong within ZF set theory the cardinality of the integers is stricly smaller than the cardinality of the real numbers. The continuum hypothesis states that there is no set with a cardinality strictly larger than the natural numbers (or integers) and strictly smaller than the real numbers.
It accidentally kind of comes to the right conclusion, but even the conclusion isn’t really correct, you don’t need to be concerned with finite time since integers are a smaller cardinality.
Let’s say people can be placed on a point on the track indexed by the real numbers, given any two seperate, finite, points, there would be more people packed between those two points than the entire integer track.
not an expert but the integer one is at the top i think
I’m sure if I tried to rephrase the problem getting every detail wrong, I’d do a worse job than this.
But I’d change the number of tracks.
“The cardinality of the integers is equal to the cardinality of the real numbers, which is called the continuum hypothesis.”
The cardinality of the integers is not equal to the cardinality of the reals. The integers are countable (have the same cardinality as the natural numbers). A very famous proof in set theory called Cantor’s diagonal argument shows the reals are uncountable (i.e. not countable).
The continuum hypothesis is also not about comparing the cardinality of the reals and the integers or naturals (since we already know the above). The continuum hypothesis is about comparing the cardinality of the reals with aleph_1.
Within the usual set theory of math (ZFC set theory), we can prove that we can assign every set a “cardinal number” that we call its cardinality. For finite sets we just assign natural numbers. For infinite sets we assign new numbers called alephs. We assign the natural numbers a cardinal that we call aleph_0.
These cardinal numbers come with an ordering relationship where one set has a cardinality larger than another set if and only if its associated cardinal number is larger than the other sets cardinal number. So, alepha_0 is larger than any finite cardinal, for example. There is a theorem called Cantor’s theorem that tells us we can continually produce larger and larger infinite cardinals in fact.
So, we know the reals have some cardinality, thus some associated cardinal number. We typically call this number the cardinality of the continuum. The typical symbol for this cardinality is a stylized (fraktur) c. Since aleph_0 is countable, every aleph after aleph_0 is uncountable. By definition aleph_1 is the smallest uncountable cardinal number. The continuum hypothesis just asks if aleph_1 and c are equal.
As an aside, it is provable that c has the same cardinality as the powerset of the naturals. We let the cardinality of the powerset of a set with cardinality x be written as 2^x. Then we can write the continuum hypothesis in terms of 2^{aleph_0} and aleph_1. The generalized continuum hypothesis just swaps out 0 and 1 for an arbitrary ordinal number alpha and its successor in this new notation.
Thanks. Now I know I should avoid using LLM for anything related to maths.