• CthulhuOnIce@sh.itjust.works
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    does anyone using the “human nature” argument even know what they’re saying?

    what about “human nature” or “humans aren’t perfect” undermines socialism or communism? by what mechanism?

    it feels like it’s a talking point that means absolutely nothing when viewed critically, and is only mindlessly repeated because it sounds cynical and “smart”

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        yeah but like how does that undermine socialism lol, the system is driven by self interest, you get from the system what you put into it

        as opposed to capitalism where you just earn whatever your wage is regardless of your actual productivity

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      It’s simple, if everybody were to get rewarded the same no matter how hard or how little they worked, then everyone would put the bare minimum, or even worse, not do anything at all, and there would be no productivity in society. That is when the “government” which theoretically should not even exist in communism but in practice is impossible, would step in and force labor, as we saw for example with the Soviet Union.

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        yep and just as I thought it’s based on a fundamentally flawed understanding of socialism or communism

        Neither system has everybody rewarded the same no matter how hard or little they work

        This didn’t even happen in the Soviet union, it’s just theoretically, practically, and historically incorrect to think that’s how socialism works

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        if everybody were to get rewarded the same no matter how hard or how little they worked

        What is this ideology