Marx, therefore, further refined the concept of a “transition society” and introduced the idea that the development of communist society would take place in two phases. In the first stage, “socialism” as he called it, the commune state was still necessary both to defeat all attempts at counter-revolution and to reconstruct the international economic system on an egalitarian and planned basis.
Marx was too idealistic. He didn’t account for what happens when you put people into power of this “dicatorship of the proletariat”. Most people who get into power are not going to willingly give up power. You’ll end up with self-proclaimed communist countries that are either stuck in this transition phase indefinitely, or end up abandoning it in favor of state capitalism.
Also, you talk a lot of shit about AES countries being forced to engage in capitalism for their survival for someone who also engages in capitalism for your survival. If you’ve got a better way, I’d love to see it.
No shit they’re still in the transition stage. They are still defending against counter-revolution instigated by capitalist world powers, and have not yet overtaken capitalism as the international economic system. Are you unable to read, or are you just being intentionally obtuse?
Ah, I see you think yourself an expert on Marx. When he said this was he not meaning that instead of the people being under the dictatorship of a small privileged class of capitalists (see the plutocracy of many capitalist nations) he wanted the entirety of the people, in particular the working class to have control over their own lives, labor, and common interests?
Idk, but it sounds like you think you have read more of Marx’s literature and understand Marx better?
Or perhaps you are arguing that power will always be abused by individuals and thus we shouldn’t resist it and those that currently hold it in the form of capital…
in which case…
I never expect perfection in a human society, but I know for damn certain we can do better than what we do now and the improvements we can make are towards a more equitable society best expressed by socialist and communist thinkers alike.
I’m saying that the transition phase being authoritarian is a mistake. Power always corrupts people, and the only way to make sure a worker’s revolution doesn’t end up failing is to implement a democratic transition government. Everyone gets a vote, and can run for and hold office. And anyone who has ever owned or managed a large bussiness or has ever accumulated a net worth of one million USD (or equivalent amount in other currencies) or more is banned from holding office. Worker’s rights should be entrenched into a constitution, and cannot be redefined unless 3/4 of the people agrees on it.
That’s how I think it should be. Not some “communist party” that would become the new bourgeoisie as soon as the old one is eliminated.
You don’t know your Marx? socialism-transition-communism
Marx: the only moral revolution is my revolution
Marx was too idealistic. He didn’t account for what happens when you put people into power of this “dicatorship of the proletariat”. Most people who get into power are not going to willingly give up power. You’ll end up with self-proclaimed communist countries that are either stuck in this transition phase indefinitely, or end up abandoning it in favor of state capitalism.
“Marx was too idealistic” followed by the most idealistic analysis ever
Also, you talk a lot of shit about AES countries being forced to engage in capitalism for their survival for someone who also engages in capitalism for your survival. If you’ve got a better way, I’d love to see it.
No shit they’re still in the transition stage. They are still defending against counter-revolution instigated by capitalist world powers, and have not yet overtaken capitalism as the international economic system. Are you unable to read, or are you just being intentionally obtuse?
Ah, I see you think yourself an expert on Marx. When he said this was he not meaning that instead of the people being under the dictatorship of a small privileged class of capitalists (see the plutocracy of many capitalist nations) he wanted the entirety of the people, in particular the working class to have control over their own lives, labor, and common interests?
Idk, but it sounds like you think you have read more of Marx’s literature and understand Marx better?
Or perhaps you are arguing that power will always be abused by individuals and thus we shouldn’t resist it and those that currently hold it in the form of capital…
in which case…
I never expect perfection in a human society, but I know for damn certain we can do better than what we do now and the improvements we can make are towards a more equitable society best expressed by socialist and communist thinkers alike.
I’m saying that the transition phase being authoritarian is a mistake. Power always corrupts people, and the only way to make sure a worker’s revolution doesn’t end up failing is to implement a democratic transition government. Everyone gets a vote, and can run for and hold office. And anyone who has ever owned or managed a large bussiness or has ever accumulated a net worth of one million USD (or equivalent amount in other currencies) or more is banned from holding office. Worker’s rights should be entrenched into a constitution, and cannot be redefined unless 3/4 of the people agrees on it.
That’s how I think it should be. Not some “communist party” that would become the new bourgeoisie as soon as the old one is eliminated.