• L3mmyW1nks@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    See figure 3 here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic_temperature

    As mentioned above, there are other ways molecules can jiggle besides the three translational degrees of freedom that imbue substances with their kinetic temperature. As can be seen in the animation at right, molecules are complex objects; they are a population of atoms and thermal agitation can strain their internal chemical bonds in three different ways: via rotation, bond length, and bond angle movements; these are all types of internal degrees of freedom.

    tl;dr Water be jiggly. Amount of jiggle is hard to put a number on

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      7 months ago

      It would still be possible to answer the speed question, you just get different answers for different substances (and even phases of the same substance) at the same temperature.

      Since something like water does have those additional ways to store energy, my guess is it would be slower at room temp than another liquid with less complex molecules that have about the same mass each. (If there is such a thing)

      Also I expect different answers for each of mean, median, and mode speeds.

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      7 months ago

      So if I were jiggling, I think I could come up with a speed. I’d figure out how far I’m moving, and how long it takes me to move. So I could measure from far left to far right of the jiggle (let’s say 18in.) and then how far to go from far left to far right and return to the original position. If that’s 2 seconds, then that’s 1½ feet per 2 seconds which can be converted to any other speed such as km/hr.

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            7 months ago

            The answer by the thermometer is the temperature, which is based on more degrees of freedom. You’ll have to define some mapping between the other degrees and velocity.

      • MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml
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        7 months ago

        Here’s an experiment that you could try at home:

        Takes 2 cups of water of equal volume, one hot and one cold. Put a single drop of food coloring into each cup and time how long it takes for the color to fully disperse throughout the water.

        Record your units in SI units like cm or mm, because inches are stupid and scientists have agreed to not like them. You are a scientist now, so you must join the club.

        Submit your findings to the journal of Lemmy for peer review. Extrapolate into other forms of measurement if you want.

        If you want it to be even better, measure 3 temperatures (in °C, mind you): room temp, hot, and cold. Then you can plot them on a curve of distance vs time.