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  • Though he was named directly and is still just an economist.

    Well he’s a famous guy and knows a lot of important people, directly worked with the CIA and USA government before. And Davel wasn’t saying “The Lancet published this conspiracy” but that the guy that the Lancet - who is very trustworthy - trusts and says is qualified to weigh in, is independently pushing it. So Jeremy was borrowing his authority from having been associated with The Lancet, and he has some authority already from his celebrity-status and previous work, not necessarily from his hard skills (economics).

    That’s a far cry from “CIA bioweapon” like the OOP believes.

    Okay. I believe that. I haven’t read the article and don’t want to weigh in. I haven’t investigated the claim, anything I add can only be nonsense. I wasn’t pushing a Fort Detrick bioweapon conspiracy, I just wanted to clarify Davel’s comment because I didn’t feel your objection to it was fair, or if it was just a question with no position then I answered the question. Feel free to discuss the article with Davel since you have both read the article.



  • I’d think there’d be at least as much pro-China content on a Chinese platform.

    There is a lot of Chinese state-sponsored propaganda on TikTok, as well as pro-China speech by unaffiliated users. This is true of TikTok and of YouTube and Twitter. (The state-sponsored propaganda I’m highlighting isn’t particularly insidious, it’s things like student exchange or paid travel bloggers, Chinese news spending budget to create English language content). But you aren’t more likely to come across it on TikTok than western platforms, because China doesn’t control the algorithm. TikTok was forked off a Chinese product, but it’s controlled by Oracle and the USA in terms of tuning and moderation. The Chinese just collect rent.

    Now if your angle isn’t that TikTok pushes those things, but just that kids use it and kids are impressionable, then I don’t have any objections with what you’re saying. I haven’t seen any Chinese state-sponsored content that plays well with kids, but I wouldn’t expect to either since my recommendation feed looks different (and I don’t use TikTok).


  • Would it really be a shock to anyone if a global superpower spread propaganda to be viewed more positively by people around the world? Russia and the USA do it all the time. Why wouldn’t China?

    Completely reasonable.

    I’d say it’s quite likely.

    But this isn’t reasonable at all, and it’s what you’re trying to defend.

    Lemmy has no value. It’s a waste of resources. Your assertion wasn’t that China is has propaganda. I know they do, there are hundreds of officially disclosed initiatives. Your assertion is that Lemmy users aren’t genuine.

    You also implied that TikTok - A platform globally moderated by the the USA - is a hotbed for PR Chinese propaganda, which isn’t reasonable either.







  • You can write fuck China on Lemmy.ml if it’s relevant and motivated. The difference is that it’s always obvious why the USA and Israel should be condemned. I think China’s Israel stance is super weak, and I doubt I’d get mod pushback for saying that in an article about how China keeps selling genocide-equipment to Israel during a genocide. Or about how China is pushing for a two-state solution instead of saying Israel is illegitimate and should be dismantled.

    If you go “Fuck Cameroon” on an unrelated post, for example this one, a mod would rightly tell you to be civil or at least explain yourself. And if you then justify yourself on a basis of white supremacy or conspiracy theories as you are bound to do, then that reasoning will be rejected.