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  • Buffalox@lemmy.worldtoLinux@lemmy.mlLinus Torvalds and Richard Stallman
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    I agree, the phrasing is bad, but that doesn’t change that if you read it carefully, the meaning is clear.
    There is absolutely no reasonable basis for claiming he is defending pedophiles, when what he does is the direct opposite, by logically proving that a common defense they use is invalid, because you can never claim to know participation is voluntary. It is per definition coerced.


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    Everytime someone calls their system a Linux based OS and not GNU/Linux based OS downplays the work he put in.

    Absolutely, and the fact that people didn’t adopt it creates confusion, some people claim Android is also Linux, which you can argue, but it’s definitely NOT GNU/Linux, and it’s definitely NOT a free desktop OS as defined by freedesktop.org either. There’s a huge difference.
    Especially since Android generally means Android with Google apps, and not AOSP. AOSP is open source, but Android with Google apps is not.




  • IDK if federations doesn’t work, I already wrote to another response that I use Bash.
    Since the Amiga in the 80’s I considered CLI windows and Shell as the same thing,because they kind of were on the Amiga, as there was only 1 shell, and a CLI window was also called Shell. But that was obviously a misunderstanding I just never got quite rid of.




  • Interesting, I just don’t get that last line, Linux came out in 1991, so how is 1991 way before Linux?

    I’m not sure either, that if the GNU project had managed to make a decent kernel, that it would have made the world a different place today. At least not for the better.
    The Linux kernel is the most successful piece of open software ever made, and it’s GPL like GNU. I am far from sure another kernel would have been equally successful either technologically or in benefiting all sorts of computers.



  • Good catch, I guess that’s mostly true, but Windows NT was an evolution of Windows that mainly got rid of the DOS legacy. Which after Windows NT ran on a compatibility layer, where Windows 3 ran on DOS directly.
    It’s a bit of a grey area. But I’d say windows NT was a continuation of Windows that shared almost the entire API from Windows 3.0.
    The old “System n” OS was also called MAC OS. And the switch to OSX was a completely new OS where the old MAC OS software ran on a compatibility layer.

    I guess it can be seen either way.



  • Windows became popular with Windows 3.0 that came out 1990, And the Linux kernel came in 1991, but the first distro which is a better comparison came in 1993.

    So Windows had a 3 year advantage.
    But that wasn’t the more crucial thing, the real advantage was DOS compatibility, which everything legacy ran on. So with Windows people and companies could still run their old DOS programs, they could even run them better than in an old fashioned DOS system, because Windows was brilliant for multitasking DOS programs.


  • That’s kind of true, but MacOS and Mac OSX are 2 different things. What is based on BSD is the MAC OSX that came out in 2001 AFAIK.

    And BSD was interrupted for 2 years because of copyright disputes with AT&T. If that hadn’t happened, BSD would be the longest continuous OS today, and probably way more significant than it is.

    I don’t consider MAC OSX as part of BSD, just like Android isn’t part of Linux Desktop, but only uses the Linux kernel. OSX took parts of BSD and shielded it behind a proprietary wall, because the BSD license offer no protection from that. So they become separate projects the moment they enter the Apple domain.

    Problem here is when people mix up the use of the word Linux as an OS with Linux the kernel. I am 100% sure OP meant Linux as a Desktop OS like GNU/Linux or something like Free desktop according to freedesktop.org. Using his experience with EndeavorOS as an example.

    But you are right, it can be said Unix/BSD has an even longer running time, but it has been somewhat problematic and interrupted because of AT&T and SCO and Novell.



  • Yes it literally has come a long way, all the way from 1991 to 2024, I think the only other OS that has managed that is Windows.
    I know that’s not quite what you meant, it was just a thought I came to think of reading the headline.

    But apart from that, it’s also become quite good, but IMO it has been for more than a decade now.


  • I’ve used Manjaro for many years now, and it works very well for Steam IMO. When I chose Manjaro I checked ProtonDB to see if there was a trend where some distros had higher success rate for Proton games on Steam, and it seemed to me there was, and Manjaro was one of the best.

    But maybe if I had checked other games I’d have other results IDK. But generally if a game has good score on ProtonDB it will work for me with my Radeon RX 6600 XT.

    I would imagine most distros work well with Steam today, it is after all mostly similar libraries they all use.


  • It’s not like anything he says is a secret:
    https://www.linuxfoundation.org/ 900 open source projects 3M+ developers trained
    It’s right there on the front page.

    Linux foundation never supported desktop development, and I suspect they have their reasons. Maybe that a GUI is a very subjective thing, there are dozens of desktops, supporting one would probably cause major wrath from everybody else, so if Linux Foundation were to support the desktop, they’d have to support all. But Gnome has often shown to be hostile to outside influence, so maybe they don’t really care to mess with that. KDE is based on QT, and maybe the QT dual license isn’t within the scope of Linux Foundation to support? So with the biggest desktops being somewhat problematic, maybe it’s better to just leave it alone.

    The real question IMO is why Linux desktop doesn’t have better support from other foundations? Why aren’t any of them able to attract more financial support?

    Personally I liked Gnome 2, and I think Gnome did a lot of harm to Linux when they deprecated it before Gnome Shell was ready, and I think Gnome alienated many users with the design decisions of Gnome shell.

    Then the problem is that almost every GUI Desktop on Linux is based on some flavor of GTK which is under Gnome, or based on QT with the dual license.

    Personally I don’t mind the dual license of QT, but many Linux developers are very idealistic, and don’t like it.