It’s not the same to continue with the joke and to completely miss the point and complain about it.

The first is funny, the second is sad. I believe I had to clarify that for you

There’s still some Russia left. But hopefully Ukraine will change that soon :)

lemme play a song on the world’s smallest violin ocarina.

Again, no answers. Why do I try to speak with a Tankie? Just another “useful” idiot that never left his US state.

At least your messages are here to show what you really think about privacy.

Again, do Venezuelans deserve to be able to communicate privately?

Every state has the right to defend themselves, I’m a big supporter of Ukraine. But this is not that. You asked me of I know what apps the opposition use. Do you have proof that there are foreign agents and they use signal?

From a technical standpoint, this is useless. Only harms the population. If you believe this is wrong, please explain why this can’t be bypassed with a VPN or proxy. I’m even forfeiting the proof that it’s actively being used for “enemies of the state”. And to west l what extend should Venezuela go? Lockdown from outside? Banning all encryption?

I have replied to all or nearly all your questions. If you don’t intend to answer mine, then it’s a waste of time.

I see you have issues with focus, so I’ll just ask again. What messaging system is private and has the approval of Venezuela, Russia, China…? Or is privacy against the state bad?

Lol do you know how to migrate a community off one platform to another?

“Foreign agents” could install a VPN, probably already have to send data. 0 impact whatsoever for those “agents”. Even for casual privacy enthusiasts judge be easy, depending on what’s already blocked. Average people on the other hand…

Regular people will find other ways to communicate, as they always have. They have lots of options, as you’ve pointed out.

Also pointed out how those present more challenges. Why you think WhatsApp and face time are popular, anybody can use them. I’m still wondering what alternative you propose. It seems there’s nothing that suits privacy and making Maduro happy.

signal is secure. Its security is backed by it’s western intelligence financing.

It’s security is backed by the fact it can be audited. Of course governments want PQC encryption. You think other countries don’t want or invest on it? The only difference here is that is pubic, free and can be checked for backdoors.

Its clear that Venezuela is facing external pressure to dismantle their democracy, and are taking actions to disrupt those efforts.

When preserving “democracy” is the excuse to not be Democratic, something is wrong.

I’m still waiting to know what do you think is a good alternative. You already complained that signal is secure against all parties, and I’m wondering of there’s even a truly private messaging platform that is open and approved by Venezuela, Russia, China… Please enlighten me. There has to be at least one… Right?

Yeah, I don’t know. Do you? It’s a fair assumption they use email, right? And VPN is standard in most organizations. I never even mentioned the opposition. Dissidents can be non affiliated people, who is discontent with their government or feel oppressed.

Why is it relevant? I thought you were interested about foreign agents? Or is all the opposition foreign agents?

Please tell me, should it be possible to have privacy from the government in Venezuela? If so, how? If you only answer one thing, please do this one.

Which ones? Signal? Likely. Secure mail and VPN? For sure. Can “foreign agents” use them? Certainly.

Who will have a hard time to use them? General population. Signal is the privacy communication service with the lowest barrier to entry, in terms of cost and setup complexity. Not a tool for spies, but for average Joe.

What service do you recommend BTW? That ensures government cannot snoop and prevents “foreign agents”. It seems that any privacy is a risk, so I’m curious what a privacy minded person thinks should be OK.

That’s what you fail to understand. It’s open source, it has been audited. Venezuela and any other country can check and crack the encryption if has holes in it. The long first paragraph is something that’s not a secret, but widely known.

You know what’s also safe? Encrypted emails. VPNs. Matrix.

If you think this is a movement against foreign agents, you should think it’s useless too. For a sufficiently motivated agent, this will be trivial to overcome. For the general population? Not so much.

Unless next all forms of private communication re forbidden, of curse. Surely what people on a privacy community advocate for.

Publicly accessible: reviewed and audited by hundreds of teams that confirmed there’s no backdoor. Venezuelan, Russian and Chinese governments didn’t find the holes, even having access to the code. If they did, they would be exploiting it to… reeducate.

Yeah, I would expect to trust that. Still, you said yourself, the problem is that is used by dissidents. And we can’t have that, right?

Unrelated to what the previous person is saying (banned because it was used by dissidents), but still, we have the source code. If you’re arguing they are somehow accessing the data, what’s encrypted and what isn’t is known.

For their own good. Individual thinkers tend to have short lives. Just look how many people thinked themselves of a window in Russia on the last year.

So much from broadening… As soon as I mention any other suddenly there’s no point checking other countries.

Keep going, then. Any other country to mention, seeing how it’s important to you? Russia? China? Italy? India? Pakistan?

I somehow feel your “broad” is actually quite narrow. Usually happens with the whatabautisms

I’m not aware of the kingdom of whataboutistan. Is it related to this post somehow?

Yeah. Telegram, should be next, there’s a huge risk with it too. And email! Social networks too, just in case. And postal mail, we can’t forget that. We should crack down any form of uncensored communication.

All for the benefit of the people, of course. \s

Why countries that do not prosecute political dissent bock apps used by political dissenters? /s

Because that’s not our threat model.

I want to be anonymous for the sites I visit. I want my ISP, who’s likely selling my data, to have none. I want to use a WiFi without anybody sniffing.

I’m lucky enough to live in a county were I’m not prosecuted for my ideas or who I am, and I’m not doing anything illicit aside from torrent.

So the hassle doesn’t seem needed in this case. If I think Mullvad can harm me if they know my name, then I wouldn’t use it at all, even with private payments.

Oooh, so now it’s a contract thing… Still BS and made up, but I like how you backtrack.

And yes, I’ve worked in companies that require a work app. Some gave a phone, others allow to install in your. Current is a fortune 50 that allows installing on your own using Intune.

And you can be sure they are smart enough to not try to take away employee property because contracts with illegal terms are not enforceable, so they don’t even try.

I guess you’re used to being treated badly, in which case I’m sorry for you.