You could share this sublemmy’s pinned post, or the megathread it links to:

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/10901

https://rentry.co/megathread

The deregulation march you’re talking about is neoliberalism, and it hasn’t just affected USA. And in a sense neoliberalism is capitalism’s response to regulation.

It’s not that regulation doesn’t work per se, it’s that the (political) hierarchy through which it functions is susceptible to being taken advantage of, and inevitably it will be (*has been) taken advantage of by the capitalist class to protect their economic hierarchy.

For democracy to truly represent the people it’d need to be federated from the ground up through free association. Large scale organisation and cooperation would be ephemeral, existing when/if the need arises and dissolving as soon as projects are concluded (or cancelled). But within the rigidity of the current system(s), where power is consolidated at the ‘top’ through processes we’re lead to believe are necessary for ‘order’ (when their real purpose is of course control), horizontal forms of social organisation seem impossible (I like how Anark calls this - “hierarchical realism”).

Can we please stop pretending “regulation” is all that effective. It’s been tried, and has resulted in corrupt bureaucracy or given way to neoliberalism (and corporate bureaucracy).

What we need is a radically different system where the power truly is in the hands of the people, and not just nominally like in representative democracy (and which is completely lacking anyways in most workplaces). And what this requires is the construction of fundamentally different modes of production and human interrelation that will not resemble what we’ve got now, neither economically nor politically nor socially. Regulating capitalism won’t get us there.

When you talk about communism, are you talking about marxist-leninist / socialist states, or communism the idea(l) itself? Also how familiar are you with anarchism?

It seems that in the same way, people in this discussion have defined that communism is the mechanism for being generous and being willing to contribute to society.

You’re not far off, but yes that is more or less all that “communism” is:

a classless, stateless, humane society based on common ownership, follows the maxim “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”

There is no prescription for how this may be achieved or how it might operate. Marxist-leninists want to reach it with a vanguard party and a socialist state, and this reflects how they see revolution as an event. Anarcho-communists instead see revolution as a process, and praxis takes the form of grassroots movements, aiming to bring about the necessary social change, building systems of free association from the ground up.

They don’t exist

Of course capitalism operates in a lot of gray areas, it’s how it seems freer than it actually is. “I need food” isn’t always a problem, but it is one often enough to be systemically problematic. Abandoning one’s hopes and dreams because one must be “realistic” is the norm.

Social democracy isn’t really socialist…

Anyways it’s just good to know that FOSS is built upon anarchist principles (of course, this doesn’t mean every FOSS project is anarchist) and is a great example of free association in practice. It helps demystify anarchism and communism.

Also what “delusions” are you talking about? Marxist-leninist ones?

I hope this is a lightbulb moment for you

I was kinda on the opposite end of the spectrum lol. I remained steadfast in engaging with the Santa Claus mythos until a pretty late age despite my parents staight up telling me they were the ones getting me presents, and despite knowing that all evidence pointed to them telling the truth, lol.

Scandinavian corporatist-social-democrat*

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All heirarchies are unjustified.

I’d look at foss licenses more as tools of defence against (and within) the current system/context than “rules” that serve to enforce some kind of anti-capitalist “heirarchy”.

In no particular order:

Ryuichi Sakamoto (particularly Async, and his albums with Alva Noto)

Aphex Twin

Apparat (though he does also feat singers on some albums)

Four Tet

Squarepusher

Ørdrop Wolkenscheidt

MGMT

Sevish

Matt Elliott (very few sung bits)

Paco de Lucía

Guilhem Desq

Jordi Savall

Ledetraad

Bremer & McCoy

Athletic Progression

Psykovsky

Godspeed You! Black Emperor

Kettel

Secede

R mccarthy

Sungazer

999999999

Susumu Yokota

Caravan Palace

These do fall into the vg category but it’s more edm / retro than “epic orchestral”:

Scattle

Chris Christodoulou

Toby Fox

The Toxic Avenger

Jake Kaufman

Nordic models are a mix of social democracy and corporatism. Definitely not free and definitely not the answer.

Contrapoints and Andrewism immediately come to mind. Might add more in an edit.

Are they also pronounced the same‽

Ok smartass

/j

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Holy fuck, mega based take ya got there. Social darwinism is a bane to society, deeply rooted in capitalist thought and also loved by fascists for its eugenic undertones. People get fooled that it’s somehow “scientific” because it’s got darwinism in the name (and because of poor education) when it’s nothing but pseudoscience. Same goes for the phrase “survival of the fittest” which is a social darwinist misinterpretation of Darwin’s theories.

In a similar vein, I firmly believe that everyone is creative in some way. Most people are just unable to discover what their creative interests might be because of the pressures of (over)work, because art education is so goddamn expensive, and because creative industries are incredibly exclusive and elitist. And limiting creativity severely limits our imagination, making us good little cogs for the machine.

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