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  • @hellvolution I don’t know what you are hallucinating, but my post was ranting about the Nvidia drivers. I did not choose to install all of them, they are installed and maintained automatically in Flatpak. But I chose not to install the KDE suite on my native system, because that always causes pain with other suites and installations. That’s the good part of Flatpak. There are a few reasons to use Flatpak.

    But the Nvidia driver situation in Flatpak is ridiculous! But you know what, that does not matter anymore, because today my new PC parts will arrive and I can build from scratch. AMD through and through!



  • @hellvolution I do not install the driver in Flatpak, it does it automatically. Each application can depend on specific driver versions I guess and that is how it ends up installing multiple versions. That makes it quite robust to be honest, because if a new driver version sucks the application can just request to use an older version in example.

    Before accusing people not knowing what they are doing, maybe you should learn about the technology you talk about. There are reasons why to use Flatpak over native Arch packages. One reason is in example I have installed kdenlive, but do not want the entire KDE suite, services and applications installed and running on my system as well.






  • @1984 Unfortunately not everything is in the AUR or I do not want to trust everyone on the AUR. And there are other reasons to use Flatpak over native packaging (including AUR):

    • kdenlive and Krita: I do not want to install the entire suite and dependencies of KDE.
    • bottles: The Flatpak version is the recommended one by the devs and the only supported one I think.
    • xemu: Yes it’s also available on, but I do not know who the uploader and manager of this binary is. While the Flatpak version an official package is.
    • zeal: Same reason as xemu.

    And that’s basically it (ok there is Flatseal too… but that does not count to our discussion). Everything else is installed through native packaging. So there is not much reason to use Flatpak and I just started with it recently. But there are sometimes reasons for.





  • @skullgiver

    I doubt they’re all full downloads. Flatpak does a lot of deduplication.

    It downloads every single of them fully. Took 15 minute or so for all the packages or longer. This is going on since I started with Flatpak. The Nvidia drivers are not de-duplicated or partial downloads on my system.

    You can see it in your screenshot as well, >140MB downloads that are marked as completed even though only a few megabytes were actually fetched.

    That’s not the one I am complaining. The drivers are the ones named as org.freedesktop.Platform.GL32.nvidia-xxx-xx-xx . These are the different driver versions of Nvidia and each of the 7 versions are 340 MB or more and are always downloaded fully. You can see each of them like 340,9 / 341,8 MB. What you was referring to is not what I am complaining. The extraction of the archives and installation is quick. Every other package is quick, only those take this long.

    but the sheer download size isn’t the problem in my experience. Not great, but not as terrible as it may seem.

    It isn’t a hard problem, but very annoying. Not sure how fast internet access you have, I have under 7 MB/s. And only counting the Nvidida drivers through Flatpak alone is 2.3 GBytes. Imagine adding all the other updates in Flatpak, plus the system update of my OS itself and the DKMS. It adds up a lot.