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  • The whole thing was about national pride on both sides. The soviets didn’t admit they were striving for the same thing because they never wanted to be seen to lose. Their pattern was always the same:

    • They didn’t say they were working towards having the first satellite. They just announced it when they were successfully.
    • They didn’t say they were working towards having the first living animal in space. They just announced it when they were successfully.
    • They didn’t say they were working towards having the first man in space. They just announced it when they were successfully.
    • They didn’t say they were working towards having the first man on the moon. They just denied it when they were unsuccessful.

    However, the Soviet lunar program was confirmed many years after the fact under Gorbachev’s policy of Glastnost when the Soviet Union fell. The Soviet Lunar program is fact. Their lunar landers were built just months after the US. Some still exist. There’s one on loan for display at Disneyland in Paris. I’ve seen another at the London Science Museum. Russia loans them out to show how advanced they were at the time. To take pride in what they accomplished, and rightly so.

    This is all very public, yet you’re trying to convince me that 50yo face saving propaganda is the truth?



  • wewbull@feddit.uktoScience Memes@mander.xyzbillions & billions
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    9 days ago

    You don’t need anything that powerful for earth orbit. Salut and Mir launched on much less ambitious rockets. They became the focus after the moon race was decided.

    Wikipedia

    The N1-L3 version was designed to compete with the United States Apollo program to land a person on the Moon, using a similar lunar orbit rendezvous method. The basic N1 launch vehicle had three stages, which were to carry the L3 lunar payload into low Earth orbit with two cosmonauts. The L3 contained one stage for trans-lunar injection; another stage used for mid-course corrections, lunar orbit insertion, and the first part of the descent to the lunar surface; a single-pilot LK Lander spacecraft; and a two-pilot Soyuz 7K-LOK lunar orbital spacecraft for return to Earth.

    You build an N1 or Saturn V to go to the moon.

    Had the N1 launched without incident, the Soviets were on target to get a man on the moon first. When the Soviet Union fell all the details of the program became available.





  • The last decade has brought a lot of clarity to me on this. People follow the herd and are tribal. If a movement gains enough momentum, most people will go along with it even if it’s “against their principles”. There are very few people that will stand up in front of an advancing hoard and say “Stop! This is wrong.”

    I suspect Nazi Germany was the same. Most people will have accepted what was happening as the price of an easy life, and it wasn’t until it was too late that they realised what had happened.



  • wewbull@feddit.uktoScience Memes@mander.xyzBACK IT UP
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    15 days ago

    There are also very good reasons to think that the money in medicine distorts and corrupts the science. Fact is the proper trials are very expensive and the only institutions that can afford them are pharmaceutical corporations. So the only treatments that get trailed are the ones that make good business sense.