• Skua@kbin.social
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    7 months ago

    I don’t think I’ve ever suggested that Russia is acting randomly. I agree completely that Russia is acting in Russia’s interests. I just don’t think it follows from that that everyone else should just lie down and and let Russia do whatever it wants, so if countries that have the power and will to oppose Russia’s morally objectionable actions wish to do so then good on them in my book.

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      7 months ago

      I don’t think I’ve ever suggested that Russia is acting randomly.

      I’m not sure what you are suggesting except “Total victory or death (for Ukrainians)”.

      But you clearly said that this was not about NATO. Which means there are no clear reasons since the stated reasons by Russia are a lie, which means there is nothing to negotiate.

      EDIT: It should be our responsibility not to fuel the war into an endless conflict, but to push both sides to negotiate a diplomatic solution. But this can’t happen if the reasons for the conflict are consistently misrepresented by the media.

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        7 months ago

        I’m suggesting that NATO should arm Ukraine to defend itself for so long as Ukraine wants to keep fighting.

        But you clearly said that this was not about NATO. Which means there are no clear reasons since the stated reasons by Russia are a lie

        No, it does not mean that. If Russia achieves its goals then it acquires millions of new citizens, a lot of the world’s most fertile land, a very strategically valuable port (that it was leasing until recently), and the water supply for that port. These would all make Russia significantly more powerful.

        Of course, I don’t think that Russia deserves a goddamn thing out of any negotiations. Ideally the only negotiations will be how Russia will pay reparations to Ukraine. But again, it’s not my place to tell Ukraine what to do. I just think that we should put Ukraine in a position to be able to decide for itself. If Ukraine decides to negotiate and accept some losses in order to end the war, that’s Ukraine’s call; the point is it has to be strong enough to be able to make the decision, not have it made for it by Russia.