With China’s popularity rising, there has to come a point where a country’s population decides to say:
“We need to follow a Marxist-Leninist model pronto if we want to remain a functioning society, because capitalism isn’t working anymore.”
Which country is gonna say it first?
As Lenin said in his eponymous Imperialism book, it would be in the nation who “is the weakest link in the chain”
Now ehich nation would that be? Hard to say without devoting some serious scholarly dia-mat analysis.
For now, Burkina Faso is a shining beacon in africa. I have hope for the burkinabé.
China’s recent development doesn’t really hinge on Marxist-Leninist models. It went heavy into state capitalism to produce a massive improvement in the economy. I feel like China’s main innovation was to create an investment model that was company agnostic; private companies competed to operate state owned factories rather than the state owning the companies. Corporate governance is more “third way” with loose control over semi-private entities.
Marxist-Leninist model has everything to do with China’s development. You can read this book on the subject which explains how China’s rise is a direct product of Marxist central planning.
The whole idea of state capitalism is a bit of a misnomer. It basically says that even though USSR had state owned enterprise, the internal capitalist relations within it remain largely the same. While that’s true, there is a fundamental difference here. Capitalism is a system where people who own capital hire workers to exploit there labor with the purpose of increasing their capital. The goal of capitalist enterprise is to create wealth for the owners with any social benefits being strictly incidental. On the other hand, the purpose of state enterprise is to provide social value. Workers in state owned companies are producing things that the society needs. They are working for their own benefit and those of others around them. Therefore, the nature of work itself is fundamentally different from actual capitalism.
And this is precisely what socialism is. It’s a transitional stage between a capitalist society and a future communist society where the working class has seized the control of the state, but existing material relations have not yet been abolished.
Also worth noting that the state in China is firmly in control of the commanding heights of the economy.
The actual innovation in China is in combining high level central planning with dynamic allocation. The problem with Soviet economy was that any large system will produce a lot of noise as information travels through it. So, when you do central planning the way USSR was, it becomes very difficult to balance things. You make a plan, the directives travel down to the factories and farms where production happens, there’s delay in the information arriving, mistakes in transcription, and so on. Then the same thing happens on the way back up, so the picture at the top is divergent from the situation on the ground. And that leads to things like overcorrections, and plans based on false data, so the system becomes unbalanced over time. And that’s what we saw happen in USSR. I can highly recommend reading Thinking in Systems for a deeper explanation of the problem.
Now, that doesn’t mean that the idea of central planning itself is wrong. The problem is with trying to do micromanagement at high level which just doesn’t work. And this is the problem China figure out how to solve by using markets as allocators within the centrally planned system. The planners still set five year plans, they still control the commanding heights of the economy, and give overall direction on what types of things should be produced, but the details are left to market mechanisms to work out dynamically at the appropriate level. And this type of a hybrid system is proving to be highly effective.
“We need to follow a Marxist-Leninist model pronto if we want to remain a functioning society, because capitalism isn’t working anymore.”
Aaah, the over-simplification of highly complicated changes
The ‘high complicated’ change being liberals midwifing fascism.
marxism isn’t going to emerge because of china’s popularity. revolutions would occur if imperialism wasn’t constantly doing black ops to kill every single last communist and their mother.
if i had to guess, it’d be somewhere in south east asia, but who knows, maybe if we don’t have genocide sam in latam a few countries here could do with a revolution.
Latin America is my vote, could happen in Mexico, I would have voted Argentina better Milei, and maybe Venezuela before Trump.
Truthfully though, I think we’re locked in, globally, permanently to Capitalism and right wing ideology into the end of humanity now for deeply complex reasons.
The game changed drastically this year and most people are just not aware how literally impossible it is to change.
well, tbh we’re going back to 2001 after milei’s finished so we’ll probably be so fubar that anything could happen, if the communist party here organizes a bit lol.
but yeah, people don’t realize how deeply embedded the cia is involved in latam. even moderately left wing people are persecuted all across the region in one way or another, if we think about political figures in the pink wave for example.
What changed this year?
You could start by identifying the successful Marxist-Leninist country. I don’t think there is one.
Cuba, China, Vietnam, and DPRK are all successful Marxist-Leninist countries.
DPRK? 🤨
Cuba… If being able to withstand an embargo by the most powerful nation on Earth for decades and still managing to outperform them on healthcare, education and life expectancy is not “successful”, I don’t know what is…
lol, china is biggest world economy. the soviet took a famine ridden feudal country and turned it into a global power. meanwhile kkkanadians are clapping literal nazis in parliament. keep coping while your burger reich overlords annex your settler colony and you spend all of you wage on a 2m2 appartment.
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I wish people like you cared enough to read more.
The USSR had pioneers in many fields, and was a global superpower.
If that means nothing to you then your opinion, alongside your brain-cell count, can be safely discarded.
piece of nazi useless trash, butthurt cracker westoid gringo you be coping hard af.
Local lib after winning the Most insufferable Redditor award: “I love Adolf Hitler!”
You should leave.
i hope you enjoy becoming the 51st state because brainworms this extensive can only lead to annexation by the us empire.
china was already mentioned
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It’s certainly a take anybody with even minimal understanding of what Marxism is would agree with.
calling china capitalist is another.
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no it would not. it sounds to me you don’t know what marxist principles are.
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communism is the abolition of the state. socialism is the transition to a stateless society by using the bourgeois state against them and for the people.
marx himself (and later deng xiaoping, since the subject is the chinese state) believed capitalism and markets were necessary to develop productive forces before communism could happen.
please read marx before throwing names at people. this is the basics of marxism.
I don’t think westerners would want to live in a country like China. If that’s the case, why don’t people just immigrate there?
Because uprooting your life and moving to a different country is really hard to do as anybody with even a minimally functioning brain would understand?
“if your country is so bad why don’t you move” sorta vibes
but to answer your question, westerners have no idea what china actually is.
We completely agree on that. Westerners cannot conceptualize what China is really like.
