A few examples include s*x questions on askreddit, “this” comments, nolife powermods, jokes being more frequent than actual answers
Needlessly censoring words like sex. It wasn’t necessary on Reddit and it certainly isn’t necessary now.
Censorship like that was introduced to make the platform appealing to advertisers. I’d say just don’t give power over how to run the platform to advertisers.
I’d say people worrying about Karma.
this /s
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As someone who is incredibly tone deaf in written conversation, please don’t get rid of the /s. It really does help
I don’t agree,
/sis immensely useful for neurodivergent people, some of which cannot recognize sarcasm at all.Also, really often something that is “obvious sarcasm” for you is a genuinely held belief by someone online. Nothing is too ridiculous for the internet
Maybe internet forums aren’t the best place for people that can’t recognize context.
Why should we exclude neurodiverse people from a space when it’s easy enough to make it accessible?
Apparently reddit and lemmy are the only places they socialize, so whatever.
No but they’re here (and we should be being as inclusive as possible if we want Lemmy to be successful), so it makes no sense to shut the doors on them just because a couple of people don’t like seeing /s .
Do you active dislike neurodiverse people or you just prefer to surround you only with people you can relate to?
Just because you don’t care about certain groups of people who are not actively damaging for the world, that doesn’t mean that they should be excluded from here.
Sadly, I understand your point, but feel that I need to remind you of Poe’s Law. I think the /s is required because shit is all too real
Even the /s I wouldn’t bring it here
I was going to post that you’re lucky you included the /s, but I just realized we don’t have karma so it doesn’t matter anyways. Such a nice feeling…
Fuck that /s If you’re unable to grasp context without it then just move on to a different discussion.
karma (or upvotes-downvotes aka simple karma) shouldn’t be a reason to disallow someone from using a lemmy community
I don’t know what form of karma Wander meant, but for me the “global karma” numbers are the worst part of reddit. People constantly posting stupid things or self-censoring to try to make number go up.
Requiring minimum positive karma is stupid when it can be gamed so easily.
Someone with very negative karma is likely a troll.
What exactly was the karma problem? I never saw it being a huge issue
It becomes an issue if you imagine people on social media do what they do for karma in the same way people in real life do what they do for money.
In other words, if you have a deficient or extremely narrow theory of mind, you will think karna is the cause of everything
upvoted to give you more karma
Is there even a total karma counter anywhere at all?
Not on Lemmy but there is on kbin (it’s called “reputation”, I think). I’m hoping it doesn’t get implemented here, but I guess we can see if it negatively affects kbin content as we’ve got a direct comparison.
Making all these posts on Lemmy be about another site.
The community won’t flourish if the only thing people are talking about is their social-media ex.
Allowing racists and fascists a seat at the table under the guise of ‘fairness’ or ‘free speech’. Reddit became polluted with far-right astroturfing in the last six years.
It is not tolerance to welcome those persons who seek to harm you.
Not just frequent jokes, but those annoying ever-repeating jokes. Like as if 80% of users were the same person. Before opening any post on Reddit, there is a good chance to be able to correctly predict the exact content of a significant portion of the comments. I get that it can be funny to an individual to come across stuff like “I also choose this guys wife” or “And my axe” more than once. But for people like me, who did not just start using the website, it is really annoying to come across the same jokes literally hundreds of times.
This goes hand in hand with the general idea of a “Reddit hivemind”. Depending on the subs you visit, you can see that Reddits userbase is actually really diverse. There are people from every demographic with all kinds of different life experiences. But in a lot of subs, anytime a woman is mentioned there is a flood of people acting like as if there are no women on the internet and as if no person using Reddit could have a girlfriend. Again, I get that it can be funny once or twice. But when the idea that every user must be a typical “Redditor” gets repeated all the time it’s just annoying. Needless to say that I don’t look forward to being called a “Lemming” on this site.
Also, repeating comments on the same post. Obviously you don’t have to read all the comments if there are already hundreds of them. But if there are too many comments saying the exact same thing it just gets harder to read them all. So it would be nice if people would look whether the point they want to make maybe has been made already. They can increase that comment’s visibility by upvoting. No need to make other people read the same content multiple times and by that make it harder to read different comments.
This, 11/10 would upvote again, just fucking take my upvote, btw is your wife single by any chance?
And my axe!
Thanks for the gold kind stranger!
Happy cake day!
Nice.
Take my upvote /s
The old Lemmy switcheroo!
Hold my lemmings, I’m going in!
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Woman on the Internet? Nice try, FBI
And people immediately repeat the same patterns without understanding where they come from.
First, the difference is negligible between doing something ironically and just doing it. The “ironic” part stays with it, but becomes irrelevant almost immediately. The “/s” needs to exist for a similar reason. Generally it’s just better to not make the /s comment at all, but if you’re going to it should have the /s.
Second, if you have a couple hundred people read something and think the same response, one of them is probably going to type it.
Changing these things requires a culture shift where we encourage people to think about their comment adding something original rather than the first thing that comes to mind. You have to attack that root problem instead of the symptoms. Is it worth the effort?
First, the difference is negligible between doing something ironically and just doing it.
You get to feel superior to people who ~don’t get it~ and think you’re being unironic. That’s really it.
Kept scrolling to find this one. It was so tiresome to see the same joke repeated in multiple threads a day.
And I really love humor, but I’ll also add that everyone upvoting the joke or pun responses until they’re all at the top, and having to scroll to find the real content, was pretty annoying too.
Also, repeating comments on the same post. Obviously you don’t have to read all the comments if there are already hundreds of them. But if there are too many comments saying the exact same thing it just gets harder to read them all. So it would be nice if people would look whether the point they want to make maybe has been made already. They can increase that comment’s visibility by upvoting. No need to make other people read the same content multiple times and by that make it harder to read different comments.
This may be a little bit of an issue here as small instances (or frequently defederated instances) may not be aware of replies made on older comments. To see the whole reply chain of a comment you need to click the fediverse button (the rainbow star thingy on Lemmy web) and read the source. If people don’t do that they may legitimately not know that someone has replied with the exact thing they were about to reply with.
If you can’t even get yourself to write the word sex, the questions on askreddit were probably not the issue…
Censoring inoffensive words like sex.
Yes, thank you. Excessive prudishness and self censoring is always an indicator to me that a community is going a weird direction.
I’ve been amazed at how much “profanity” I’ve seen on Lemmy “all” page already… 6 hours in
In the last year I started noticing on Reddit people typing the ‘letter’-word and half the time I wouldn’t know what word they are referring to.
On a couple occasions I would reply asking what word they meant and they would reply that I should know, with my comment downvoted.
That reminds me of another thing I was sick of seeing, people asking a question and getting told to google it or that lmgtfy link. You would later see people in the comments mentioning that Google took them there when Googling for it.
But why clutter up a comment section asking questions you could answer with thirty seconds on a search engine? I understand the annoyance. You shouldn’t rely on other people to educate you on things that literally anyone with internet can find out with very little effort.
If it’s relevant to the discussion, that’s different, but too often it just sidetracks things.
Google is the band aid word for search engine. I’m sorry but if you don’t understand how to use a search engine maybe you… Idk shouldn’t be using the internet.
You obviously know how to scroll down the page on a forum like Reddit and here, but when seeing search results you’re somehow suddenly helpless?
Come on.
Reddit became too America focused. Most of the posts were about America or assumed everyone reading was American. It felt very exclusionary.
I saw this complaint on reddit a lot, but at the end of the day, it was a US based site. Of course there will be mostly Americans and they will default to that understanding.
Also, the US is a large country. It’s not like Europe where you’re a day trip away from 5 other countries. Most Americans can’t afford travel outside the US, so they only have exposure to the many cultures within the US.
The hate Americans get for not catering discussion on a US based site to the global community is really what’s strange.
Most Americans can’t afford travel outside the US, so they only have exposure to the many cultures within the US.
You can travel in a straight line over land 2700 miles from Washington to Florida without leaving the United States. Make a foray into Canada and you can travel a 4300 mile long straight line from Alaska to Florida without leaving a country that speaks majority English.
I’m pretty sure that if you visit all states and provinces, it would be a lot more than 4300 miles
True that. I was just looking at straight lines (or what “straight line” is when you’re traveling across a sphere)
I haven’t heard that before, but yeah, the US is huge.
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I’m curious, which part is a myth? I only see facts and not all of them paint America as great.
These things exist elsewhere, besides. Just not always in “the West.”
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Let me simplify this. Would you go to a forum with an address in .ar and complain that the discussion doesn’t pertain to you? You wouldn’t, but you are just blindly hateful of Americans for whatever reason.
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America is far from a monolith. Our states roughly equate to different European countries with vastly different cultures, foods, rights and laws.
We just speak dialects that are almost all the same and roll up under one political entity. It is not so dissimilar than the EU, otherwise.
We are, in many practical terms a forced confederation with a shared Constitution. There are those, like in the EU, who want out.
Edit: the shared single language is one of our under-recognized super-powers. I can travel this huge land mass and communicate viably everywhere. It is key to our cultural impact. It is accidental, but helpful to us. Except when we have people who dislike our impact and become hostile.
Which Americans are you talking to? We know there are other countries and cultures. We just aren’t responsible for learning deeply about all of them. No one is.
You’re using some strong, broad strokes that aren’t reflective of my experience at all.
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I am learning those things… hell, I’m studying a completely different language and learning the history.
I think I’m not who you think I am.
The above is one example.
You don’t have a high ground, here.
My other irk is the next group that assumes everyone who isn’t American must be from Europe.
Europe was just an example, though they do tend to be the most unjustly hateful of Americans.
The hate Americans get for not catering discussion on a US based site to the global community is really what’s strange.
I just want y’all to stop saying shit like “oh xyz is like 20$ right now” like it’s just as cheap everywhere else in the world.
Thanks for your 2 cents.
I appreciate that. What bugs me is when people don’t read the name of the sub they’re in though - if it’s askUK or casualuk then maybe it’s not the place to talk about America, particularly when it’s an advice thread about laws for example.
Just some self awareness would be good.
That’s just a demographics game. Most reddit users live in the US.
Depends how you define user. If I am googling for answers to a problem and find it on Reddit, am I a user?
It’s also a company that’s based on the US.
I think this will remain a problem on any platform that includes enough Americans. The general public in America just seems unaware of anything outside America.
I think this stems from their education system, what they (don’t) broadcast on mass-media and how normal and even laudable they consider fanatical nationalism to be (did you know they require children to swear devotion to the nation state every day at school!?).
In any case, I don’t think this is a problem that any platform that wants to include Americans can avoid.
(did you know they require children to swear devotion to the nation state every day at school!?).
Untrue. Happens in some areas, but far from universal. However, it is weird (self-loathing american reporting).
It’s also that it’s legitimately unusual to travel to another country more than once or twice before you’re an adult because of the geography.
It’s also extremely expensive and honestly most of us don’t get enough PTO to do that really. Shitposting online is cheap and easily distracts from how Americans work more hours on average than even Japan.
But it’s always ironic to see people upset Americans don’t understand other nationalities while also not understanding why we’re like this.
I mean, the same geographic constraints are true of Australia, New Zealand and Canada but they don’t have anything near the level of insularity.
Geographic constraints yet, economic constraints not as much
But that were some good opportunities to dunk on the world epicenter, i’ve always took them
What id like to see on Lemmy is less America-hate… Or just hating on countries in general. Hatable humans live in countries, let’s talk about them instead of everybody in that country. “Gunshot story? Must be America!” Gets old really quick
I hate many countries, USA included. But not the people. Heck I even hate my own country.
The thing is, the people don’t run those countries.
But, also I do need to mention that the laws that are being made do affect the society and their ideas.
This, nationalism is just the worst. You’ve achieved nothing by being born in a certain country, waving that flag around proudly thinking you’re superior to anyone else is just something i can’t understand.
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Nice try, American person.
And the arrogance about it was unbelievable, it was extremely common behaviour.
Christ, yes. Every other comment or post was something that assumed everyone was in the USA, or that they were the greatest most perfect wonderful nation and all others are basically hell on earth.
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Literally full of shit lmao. Who on reddit mainstream is talking about how the US is the greatest place on Earth.
Usually its the entire other way around where Reddit is acting like the apocalypse is about to start at any point.
Here’s a new one for this thread. “People who complain about Americans over the dumbest things”. It’s straight up like you have a chip on your shoulder.
Complaining about Americans is possibly the most reddit thing ever, lmao, regardless of where the user is from.
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Well I think ideally that’s what different instances should help. I’m on a Canadian instance with a lot of Canadian specific communities. I’ve seen instances of many other specific countries. That should theoretically counter that whole experience on Reddit
Lemmy.ca is full of em!
Which honestly has been one of my favourite features of Lemmy so far. I can browse All to see what everyone is talking about, I can browse Subscribed to see what I care about and I can browse Local to see what Canadians care about.
I’ll say the obvious… blocking WefWef and other apps that improve the user experience.
So I understand this correctly, you’re advocating for a “bad” UI “to keep out the normies?”
Bad patterns to never repeat
Read the title again, then read the comment again.
OK, I think I understand now. There were a few words missing in there that I needed for context.
“Don’t block third party apps that improve the user experience, as reddit has done.” Got it.
Yeee got it :D
You do not understand this correctly.
Got. How should I be taking this? Why would you block apps that improve the user experience to make something better
Nazis. Reddit has so many Nazis.
Not consulting the user base before making sweeping changes. The users are your life blood, be nice to them.
Circlejerks / echo chambers. Do it for the discussion, not the points.
Ragebait. It’s boring and pointless, and it brings out the worst in everyone. I never understood the appeal of being a “troll” though, so idk.
Something else I don’t miss, and maybe this is a little more personal, but often when I would try to participate in a conversation, my comment would get auto-removed for some rule/etiquette based reason I could never really wrap my head around. Like, derailing? I thought I knew what that meant, but had comments removed when I was like, “yeah that answer really resonates with me too! My 123 is xyz.”
Lemmy so far has been much more welcoming to the neurodiverse and I appreciate the organic, freeflowing nature of conversation here.
Obviously, if someone’s being provocatively hateful / an obvious troll, then nuke 'em.
But if people are just trying to join in on the conversation, don’t be a pedantic dick about exactly what kind of conversation is allowed. It had gotten to the point where I was afraid to comment at all for fear I’d be doing it wrong.
I don’t get the issue with sex questions. If people enjoy reading them and answering them why should anyone stop them. If you don’t like them, don’t click the thread.
I’m a linux developer of 25+ years and I’m permanently banned from /r/linux because I dared criticize systemd.
My answer is therefore: Power-tripping mods. Where mods are required, ensure the community has the ability to oust them.
Shitting on someone just for not liking systemd is really stupid. FOSS thrives on diversity, and having alternatives to systemd’s parts will always be a plus. I’m okay with systemd myself, but it’s easy to understand why some might not like it.
The Linux community tends to have some ego which think they have figured it all out, elitism is a problem which needs to be addressed more often in my opinion.
If you don’t mind me asking, what is bad about systemd is there a post anywhere?
Yeah, I was having a whinge about it here the other day. Just a sec while I dig up the corpse…
Systemd* removes choice*, and it was designed to do so. That is why there is so much anger. It is bad software design, by design. It flies in the face of the core linux principles, all in the name of homogenising the linux ecosystem, and you know exactly which big corporations benefit from that.
The simple fact is: today, if I want to run a mainstream distro without Systemd, I cannot. Its cancerous tentacles run so deep that decoupling it from a mainstream distro, and keeping it decoupled, is a full time job.
Instead I have no choice but to run a smaller, less featured, less secure and less funded alternative. Good luck getting Gnome to work without systemd.
Full credit to Devuan, MxLinux, Artix, and the other united underdogs.
Fuck you Redhat/IBM and your proxy evil-doer Lennart.
But if you want to read more about how why others hate systemd, there’s no shortage of material:
https://suckless.org/sucks/systemd
https://without-systemd.org/wiki/index_php/Main_Page.html
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21616608
I hate systemd, but my Gentoo is running gnome just fine with openrc.
Indeed, it seems I was wrong. However, I’ve just had a look at the “Gnome without systemd project” for Gentoo. The fact it is an entire project kinda supports my point.
I mean, just have a look at that project and how much effort it takes to run Gnome without systemd. It would almost be easier to install LFS.
You’re not wrong. Never the less I’m thankfull that some people took the effort to make stuff run without crapd.
There was a mod drama over there at Linux too. After a while, the power tripping mod was kicked out and a lot of the banned accounts were restored (including one of mine). Things were okay until spez.
A ban transparency list, kinda like a certificate transparency list, would be great but the big issue is that you can’t keep publicly hosting prohibited content…
I’m waiting for that to get implemented in Lemmy, but I feel like that is going to take a while unless volunteers get it working.
